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Tuesday, September 19, 2006


Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition?
Makes strange 'explosives in U.S. buildings' reference during torture speech Friday

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison | September 18 2006

During his speech Friday in which the President argued for the gutting of the Geneva convention and the legal classification of torture, Bush made a strange comment about explosives and their placement in U.S. buildings. Was this a tacit admission of 9/11 controlled demolition?

Here's the quote in full from the White House website .

"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out."

"That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."

The onset of both towers' collapse began at high points in the buildings. Is Bush implying planted incendiary devices were responsible for their destruction?

Read more here.

Looks like so many are waking up that they're in a panic!

Note: This directly contradicts Bush's statements above:

Goss: Torture 'not permissible'
Goss said it was "certainly not permissible" to obtain any information from Mohammed through torture.

"The hallmark of our country is decency, democracy, freedom and so forth," Goss said. "The other guys don't, but we have to maintain our standards."

Goss added that he believes the United States can obtain information from Mohammed anyway. "There's lots of motives that make people do what they do, and there may be ways we can gather information in the process of professional interrogation that will link with other pieces that we have already."

Note that this is from the Government Script / CNN:

'Appropriate pressure' being put on al Qaeda leader
U.S.: Khalid Shaikh Mohammed planned 9/11 attacks
Monday, March 3, 2003 Posted: 1:03 AM EST (0603 GMT)

Update: 2 Videos Added 9/22/06

Deal Reached on New Rules of War - White House and GOP Senators Agree on Rules for Treatment of Terror Suspects - Video

Brian Ross on The O'Reilly Factor re: U.S. Secret Prisons & Torture - Video

Now they're spinning Bush's above-referenced statements from his speech on Friday, September 14, 2006, See: Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition?
Makes strange 'explosives in U.S. buildings' reference during torture speech Friday :

"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out."

"That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."

and instead stating, that by torturing Khalied Sheikh Mohammed, they got him to "confess" to all kinds of things, including very good information about a terrorist plot involving the Library Building in Los Angeles, California.
(From the "Brian Ross on O'Reilly Factor- U.S. Secret Prisons & Torture - Video"

Are they just spinning the fact that Bush appeared to be referring to the World Trade Center on 9/11, or are they testing and conditioning the public before they come out and admit that there actually were bombs in the buildings? It's obviously the latter. Osama and his henchmen, did it of course. Yea, that's it.

There is so much talk worldwide about 9/11 being an iside job that it's pathetic.

Joe Scarborough of MSNBC's Scarborough Country was saying on 9/15/06:

"And then, of course, you‘ve got college professors, as Limbaugh was talking about, that are actually telling their students that 9/11 was an inside job. Cynthia McKinney suggests, former Democratic congresswoman, that George Bush knew about 9/11." See transcript here. There are a whole lot of interesting things on this transcript. More to be written here soon.

The truth that Osama is dead is also out. Alex Jones and many others have been talking about this for years. Check out this video from Newsweek, which I found on 9/22/06, on .

This video probably won't be there for long, and the site won't give the actual URL of the video. I even tried to check the source code of the video page, and you can't see that either. The video may be placed here for a little while, before disappearing forever, instead of at the link above.

Torture at Abu Ghraib,GGLG:2006-37,GGLG:en&q=torture+%22abu+ghraib%22

Torture at Abu Ghraib News Articles (including the most recent news articles, which stay current, no matter when you click on this, as well as older news.

One rule for them
Five PoWs are mistreated in Iraq and the US cries foul. What about Guantanamo Bay?

George Monbiot
Tuesday March 25, 2003
The Guardian

Suddenly, the government of the United States has discovered the virtues of international law. It may be waging an illegal war against a sovereign state; it may be seeking to destroy every treaty which impedes its attempts to run the world, but when five of its captured soldiers were paraded in front of the Iraqi television cameras on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, immediately complained that "it is against the Geneva convention to show photographs of prisoners of war in a manner that is humiliating for them".

He is, of course, quite right. Article 13 of the third convention, concerning the treatment of prisoners, insists that they "must at all times be protected... against insults and public curiosity". This may number among the less heinous of the possible infringements of the laws of war, but the conventions, ratified by Iraq in 1956, are non-negotiable. If you break them, you should expect to be prosecuted for war crimes.

This being so, Rumsfeld had better watch his back. For this enthusiastic convert to the cause of legal warfare is, as head of the defence department, responsible for a series of crimes sufficient, were he ever to be tried, to put him away for the rest of his natural life.

His prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, in Cuba, where 641 men (nine of whom are British citizens) are held, breaches no fewer than 15 articles of the third convention. The US government broke the first of these (article 13) as soon as the prisoners arrived, by displaying them, just as the Iraqis have done, on television. In this case, however, they were not encouraged to address the cameras. They were kneeling on the ground, hands tied behind their backs, wearing blacked-out goggles and earphones. In breach of article 18, they had been stripped of their own clothes and deprived of their possessions. They were then interned in a penitentiary (against article 22), where they were denied proper mess facilities (26), canteens (28), religious premises (34), opportunities for physical exercise (38), access to the text of the convention (41), freedom to write to their families (70 and 71) and parcels of food and books (72).

They were not "released and repatriated without delay after the cessation of active hostilities" (118), because, the US authorities say, their interrogation might, one day, reveal interesting information about al-Qaida. Article 17 rules that captives are obliged to give only their name, rank, number and date of birth. No "coercion may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever". In the hope of breaking them, however, the authorities have confined them to solitary cells and subjected them to what is now known as "torture lite": sleep deprivation and constant exposure to bright light. Unsurprisingly, several of the prisoners have sought to kill themselves, by smashing their heads against the walls or trying to slash their wrists with plastic cutlery.

The US government claims that these men are not subject to the Geneva conventions, as they are not "prisoners of war", but "unlawful combatants". The same claim could be made, with rather more justice, by the Iraqis holding the US soldiers who illegally invaded their country. But this redefinition is itself a breach of article 4 of the third convention, under which people detained as suspected members of a militia (the Taliban) or a volunteer corps (al-Qaida) must be regarded as prisoners of war.

Even if there is doubt about how such people should be classified, article 5 insists that they "shall enjoy the protection of the present convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal". But when, earlier this month, lawyers representing 16 of them demanded a court hearing, the US court of appeals ruled that as Guantanamo Bay is not sovereign US territory, the men have no constitutional rights. Many of these prisoners appear to have been working in Afghanistan as teachers, engineers or aid workers. If the US government either tried or released them, its embarrassing lack of evidence would be brought to light.

You would hesitate to describe these prisoners as lucky, unless you knew what had happened to some of the other men captured by the Americans and their allies in Afghanistan. On November 21 2001, around 8,000 Taliban soldiers and Pashtun civilians surrendered at Konduz to the Northern Alliance commander, General Abdul Rashid Dostum. Many of them have never been seen again.

As Jamie Doran's film Afghan Massacre: Convoy of Death records, some hundreds, possibly thousands, of them were loaded into container lorries at Qala-i-Zeini, near the town of Mazar-i-Sharif, on November 26 and 27. The doors were sealed and the lorries were left to stand in the sun for several days. At length, they departed for Sheberghan prison, 80 miles away. The prisoners, many of whom were dying of thirst and asphyxiation, started banging on the sides of the trucks. Dostum's men stopped the convoy and machine-gunned the containers. When they arrived at Sheberghan, most of the captives were dead.

Read more here.


Dershowitz: Torture could be justified
Tuesday, March 4, 2003 Posted: 0431 GMT (12:31 PM HKT)

Ken Roth and Alan Dershowitz

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Following the capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the question has become whether the senior al Qaeda leader will reveal key information about the terrorist network. If he doesn't, should he be tortured to make him tell what he knows?

CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer posed this question to noted author and Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz and Ken Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch.

Read more here.

Afghan prisoners beaten to death at US military interrogation base

'Blunt force injuries' cited in murder ruling

Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Friday March 7, 2003
The Guardian

Read article here.

Prisoners 'killed' at US base

Two Afghan prisoners were killed while in US custody at their base at Bagram, a military coroner has concluded.

Last Updated: Thursday, 6 March, 2003, 13:25 GMT

The report said "blunt force trauma" had contributed to the deaths.

The detainees had spent about a week in the detention facility when they died last December.

However, US spokesman Colonel Roger King told BBC News Online the pathologists' verdict was not final - a military investigation had been launched and was due to be completed later this month.

There are hundreds of former Taleban and al-Qaeda prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and in various overseas facilities.

Last month, human rights groups accused the US Government of subjecting the prisoners to physical abuse leading to a number of deaths and attempted suicides in custody.

Washington described the allegations of torture as "ridiculous".

The first

The US spokesman at Bagram said the two men who died there had been under allied custody for about 10 days altogether.

The first man died on 3 December after a blood clot in his lungs, and the second died a week later after developing blood clots as well as suffering a heart attack.

"The homicide entry on the [military death certificate] form is different from the legal meaning of the term."

-Colonel Roger King
US spokesman at Bagram

Read more here.

Some captives handed to brutal foreign agencies

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Friday December 27, 2002
The Guardian

The CIA has used "stress and duress" techniques on al-Qaida suspects held at secret overseas detention centres, as well as contracting out their interrogation to foreign intelligence agencies known to routinely use torture, said a report published yesterday.

The Washington Post paints a harrowing picture of the procedures for extracting information from terrorism suspects at such centres as Diego Garcia, the Indian Ocean island leased from Britain, and Bagram, the large US airbase in Afghanistan.

Inmates at Bagram are kept in painful positions for hours, hooded or made to wear opaque goggles, or bombarded with light, the report says. However, other detainees have faced far worse for not cooperating, being "rendered" to a foreign intelligence service which has no compunction about torture.

The Post suggests there has been a sweeping change in US policy on torture since September 11, despite public pronouncements against its use. It quotes Cofer Black, the former director of the CIA's counter-terrorist branch, as telling a congressional intelligence committee: "All you need to know: there was a before 9/11, and there was an after 9/11... After 9/11 the gloves come off."

. . .

The report offers the first details of inmates' treatment at CIA camps outside Guantanamo Bay, where some 600 al-Qaida suspects are held. But the Guantanamo inmates have had at least limited access to lawyers, journalists, and the Red Cross, whereas Bagram is strictly off-limits, and human rights groups fear conditions could be worse.

Earlier this month, officials said they would launch a criminal inquiry into the death of two prisoners at Bagram. One reportedly died of a heart attack, the other of a pulmonary embolism.

US laws apparently do not apply at the centres, where CIA agents oversee - or take part in - the interrogations. While the US publicly denounces torture, the Post says each of the 10 serving national security officials interviewed by the paper defended the use of violence against captives.

"If you don't violate someone's human rights some of the time, you probably aren't doing your job," an official who has supervised the capture of suspects told the newspaper. "I don't think we want to be promoting a view of zero tolerance on this. That was the whole problem for a long time with the CIA."

The report says CIA agents sometimes trick a detainee into thinking he is held in a state where torture is routine. On other occasions, low-level suspects have been handed over to Jordanian, Egyptian, and Moroccan agencies - known for their brutality - with a list of questions from the CIA.

Some US officials claim the main motive of such "renditions" is the belief that a suspect will open up if questioned in his own language or on familiar terrain.

However, one official directly involved in rendering captives to foreign hands is quoted as saying: "We don't kick the [expletive] out of them. We send them to other countries so they can kick the [expletive] out of them."

Read more here.

Check out these articles about what our government has been up to

US Army's Desert Filling Stations Add Fuel to Fire

Published on Saturday, March 29, 2003 by the Guardian/UK

by Oliver Burkeman in Washington

In a war where public perceptions are arguably as important as the military strategy, the US army appears to have handed a huge public relations victory to those who believe the conflict in Iraq is all about oil. The 101st Airborne Division has chosen to name two of its main outposts in the desert Forward Operating Base Exxon and Forward Operating Base Shell.

When US troops seizing the port city of Umm Qasr raised the stars and stripes there last week, they were swiftly ordered to remove it for fear of giving the impression of being conquerors, not liberators.

But Forward Operating Base Shell has caught on so comprehensively that the Washington Post is now carrying it as the dateline in its news reports from the base.

"Our feeling was that this was clearly not a political statement by the men and women of the 101st Airborne," said Tom Cirigliano, an Exxon spokesman.

Meanwhile, in southern Iraq, four miles outside Nassiriya, troops have erected a makeshift sign renaming Tallil airfield Bush international airport.

That may, at least, have a satirical intent: Iraq's largest airport, in Baghdad, is called Saddam International.

"This has absolutely nothing to do with the war being about oil, a notion that we think has been debunked by numerous independent analysts - and even in the newspaper Le Monde," Mr Cirigliano insisted.

Read more here.

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Fears that US will use 'torture lite' on al-Qaida No 3

Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Wednesday March 5, 2003
The Guardian

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the al-Qaida leader captured in Pakistan over the weekend, was yesterday believed to be under interrogation at a US base in Afghanistan.
The White House denied he was being tortured, although there is speculation that a variety of techniques known in the intelligence community as "torture lite" would be used to get information from him.

Mohammed, who is said to to be the number three in al-Qaida, was arrested on Saturday in Pakistan, in a joint operation by the CIA and Pakistani police. He was initially interrogated in Pakistan but has now been moved.

The US does not comment on individual prisoners held in the wake of September 11, but Pakistani officials said they understood that he was now being held in Afghanistan, reportedly at the Bagram base.

The arrest follows last month's capture in Pakistan of Muhammed Abdel Rahman, a son of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who was convicted in 1995 of conspiring to blow up the UN offices in New York.

Interrogators are likely to seek two key pieces of information from Mohammed: plans for attacks on the US or US interests, and the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said in response to questions about the detention of Mohammed: "The standard for any type of interrogation of somebody in American custody is to be humane and to follow all international laws and accords dealing with this type subject. That is precisely what has been happening and exactly what will happen."

But lawyers for those detained after September 11 believe prisoners held abroad are often subjected to torture.

Randy Hamud, who represents a number of Arabs detained in San Diego, said he believed his clients had been taken to countries where they could be tortured. There have also been reports that police in countries such as Pakistan and Jordan are given prisoners by the US in the knowledge that they will be tortured.

A former member of US navy intelligence said that "torture lite" - sleep deprivation, and placing prisoners in awkward or painful positions for hours at a time - would be used.

The Democratic senator John Rockefeller suggested at the weekend that the US might consider turning over Mohammed to a country that does not ban torture. He told CNN: "I wouldn't take anything off the table where he is concerned, because this is the man who has killed hundreds and hundreds of Americans over the last 10 years."

He had since said that he was not condoning torture.

The secretary of homeland security, Tom Ridge, said Mohammed would have significant information but would be hard to interrogate.

"We know that these individuals are trained and programmed in the craft of evasion. It will be very, very difficult to extricate information from this guy at this time."

There was also speculation that Mohammed would be questioned about the murder last year of the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

Read more here.

And see this EXCELLENT essay below, as well:

Is There More to the Capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Than Meets the Eye?

Here's all the news stories about Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, including older news articles and the very latest news, which will always be up to date, including whenever you click on this link!

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